tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post6468917796134340052..comments2023-12-29T04:36:07.964-04:00Comments on Square 8: Scripted language and authenticityBevhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766614739853100172noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-44153076180341216152015-06-01T04:28:15.879-04:002015-06-01T04:28:15.879-04:00I couldn't Agree more Mark. I've been luck...I couldn't Agree more Mark. I've been lucky in the NT world, have met some amazing people but by and large it is not a pleasant experience.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05341687270997790985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-57188473250599262622015-04-27T18:34:00.058-04:002015-04-27T18:34:00.058-04:00I've often noticed that NTs expect the scripte...I've often noticed that NTs expect the scripted response of "fine" when asking "How are you?" or "how was your day" and are usually are not interested in knowing one bit how the day actually went or how one really is. I can tell because their eyes glaze over. xDMiguel Palaciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02311154354365423829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-88759580737459149022015-04-27T17:56:15.488-04:002015-04-27T17:56:15.488-04:00En el caso mío tuve la ventaja de que mi audiencia...En el caso mío tuve la ventaja de que mi audiencia me daba el beneficio de la duda, debido a mi bilingualismo. xDMiguel Palaciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02311154354365423829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-1409238493972831792015-04-26T11:26:14.773-04:002015-04-26T11:26:14.773-04:00Bev, I've been following what you've writt...Bev, I've been following what you've written on eugenics. So when I saw this it kinda scared me: http://goo.gl/news/QjViB?shr=tMiguel Palaciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02311154354365423829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-37348550521856483202015-04-25T17:09:50.976-04:002015-04-25T17:09:50.976-04:00Bev, this is OT, so, no need to post it here, but ...Bev, this is OT, so, no need to post it here, but I thought it might be of your interest. Goto 5:52 of this vid:<br /><br />http://youtu.be/Yd5Mut1q_UUMiguel Palaciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02311154354365423829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-84677549093432582702012-01-11T18:01:57.833-04:002012-01-11T18:01:57.833-04:00This is very interesting to me-- I'm not exact...This is very interesting to me-- I'm not exactly NT, but my language problems are minimal and rarely appear when I am not under significant stress. I'll have to ask my Aspie boyfriend if he ever uses scripted language.<br /><br />As a Linguistics major, what seems to be happening (though I wouldn't presume, both because it's not a problem I personally have and because I'm not an accredited expert) is that some Aspies/Auties/non-NTs don't have the same understanding of sociocultural rules and norms as NTs. This is particularly apparent to me in comparison to ESL (English Second Language) speakers, who came make very similar "mistakes" by not following the generally accepted conversational pattern, or schema; by responding to the actual question rather than the implied question (e.g. "What are you doing here?" "Talking to you."); failing to justify responses we consider to require them ("Are you coming to my birthday party?" "No."); and so forth.It really does look a lot like a cultural difference, which is kind of neat. Except that Auties/Aspies/non-NTs might be coming from a different place entirely and/or have other difficulties.<br /><br />Anyway, don't mind me, I'm just a language geek. It's just really interesting to see parallels where you didn't necessarily expect them.sadfulnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08075332411954134959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-91001672962162931242011-05-21T19:32:22.545-04:002011-05-21T19:32:22.545-04:00The standard greeting formulas and question-respon...The standard greeting formulas and question-response pairs are, indeed, scripted. That's because they're not actually conversation. They're checks for meta-data. <br /><br />Prompts like "How are you?" or "How's it going?" aren't so much questions that need answering, as queries as to general status. A standard scripted reply like "Fine," or "Same old same old," is simply an acknowlegment. One breaks script if one's status is abnormal; if one needs help, for instance.<br /><br />So the autistic tendency to try to formulate an honest answer to the literal question is, in itself, open to misinterpretation. To someone following the above protocol, it suggests that the speaker's status is abnormal and an explanation will follow.<br /><br />Once my Aspie spouse and I figured that out, a big source of daily stress disappeared. Our ping-ack exchanges are a lot more transparent now that we know what they are:<br /><br />Me: "There you are!"<br />Him: "Here I am!"<br /><br />Or,<br /><br />Him: "Notices you!"<br />Me: "Is noticed!"<br /><br />We've made a conscious decision to rely on scripting to reduce the stressfulness of conversation for him. If a quote, meme, or in-joke will convey roughly what he wants to tell me, he's free to use it, and I'll never get on his case for being 'insincere'. And really, interpreting his scripts isn't much harder for me than interpreting from-scratch sentences from anyone else. If he brings me a box of my things and says, "Take this, it's dangerous to go alone," I'm perfectly capable of figuring out that he's cleaning and wants me to put my own junk away. If I ask how his day was and he tells me, "Streetlights are weird!" it's okay for me to just answer, "Cheers!"<br /><br />Some people say we're strange, but they also say we're adorable. Anyway, it works. :DJessenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-75131822721190433602010-04-19T12:54:27.119-04:002010-04-19T12:54:27.119-04:00Let me tell you an unspoken truth about interactio...Let me tell you an unspoken truth about interactions like this. We NT's do not answer question like "how are you" from scratch, we use scripts just like you. No-one answer's "fine" because that is a spontaneous self expression. (OK, if they answer "terrible, the cat is dead, my brother has committed suicide and I am bleeding from my head from when I tried to close the window" then they are probably being spontaneous, unless they are not...). But the "how are you" "fine" interaction is a script. Its the same as "hello" "hello" or "good day" "good day" or any other similar thing. The problem is if you try and give an honest answer to "how are you" (sometime I try and answer it honestly just for the fun of it) people will be confused and surprised because it's not a real question, its an encoded greeting under the appearance of a question.Sophiahttp://theinnerlifeofnarcissus.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-21037541801466948552010-01-20T22:47:07.042-04:002010-01-20T22:47:07.042-04:00OH MY GOSH!!! This is EXACTLY what I do every day!...OH MY GOSH!!! This is EXACTLY what I do every day!!! I watch television shows to learn appropriate responses and I have a few "fake" friendships as a result of my "scripting". Before I learned how to "script", which is 4th grade, I either changed the subject or completely ignored the person. Glad to know I'm not alone!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-16694244855471985812009-03-17T01:07:00.000-04:002009-03-17T01:07:00.000-04:00I love this blog, it is such a sad thing to have b...I love this blog, it is such a sad thing to have been<BR/>separated from the people who have experienced<BR/>the same types of issues with little or no support or<BR/>validation, yet so articulate in describing their<BR/>observations, and with so much to offer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-77893432513927666172008-11-09T13:32:00.000-04:002008-11-09T13:32:00.000-04:00He leído su post. Lo que Vd dice muestra que la un...He leído su post. Lo que Vd dice muestra que la unidad básica del lenguaje en sujetos con diagnóstico de autismo son muestras de habla ajenas (en ocasiones). Su post confirma con su testimonio lo que yo consideraba una explicación posible al uso ecolálico del lenguaje como un modo intencionado para comunicarse, al no poder seleccionar las palabras y articularlas en sintagmas y oraciones con arreglo a los códigos de la lengua. Sin embargo observo que Vd escribe con un estilo perfecto. ¿Puede explicarme esta diferencia entre su lenguaje escrito y hablado? Muchas gracias. Voy a publicar su post en mi blog:<BR/>http://autismointegral.blogspot.com/<BR/>Translate:<BR/>I read your post. What you said shows that the basic unit of language in subjects with a diagnosis of autism samples are speaking outside (sometimes). His post with his testimony confirms what I considered a possible explanation ecolálico the use of language as an intentional way to communicate, unable to select words and phrases and sentences to articulate them in accordance with the codes of language. But I note that you write with a style perfect. Can you explain the difference between spoken and written language? Thank you very much. I will publish your post on my blog:<BR/>http://autismointegral.blogspot.com/Eduardo Carbonell Cruzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06007387777793660012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-37181880446215429212008-08-01T00:25:00.000-04:002008-08-01T00:25:00.000-04:00Hannah's comment about the shy man who becomes elo...Hannah's comment about the shy man who becomes eloquent when he is acting in community theatre productions refers to a short story by Kurt Vonnegut entitled "Who Am I This Time?" It's one of my favorites.<BR/>-JillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-49643224069551602092008-03-22T17:39:00.000-04:002008-03-22T17:39:00.000-04:00Another thing people have trouble understanding, a...Another thing people have trouble understanding, and I have yet to produce a script that will explain it, is when I stop understanding spoken language altogether and can't pick out what someone's saying. I've tried "I can't understand your words" mostly, but even knowing my auditory processing problems I still have had adults walk away frustrated, thinking I'm messing with them or being rude or something. I have a hard time to understand it.geosaruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11333811132718881124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-63761719369601424502008-03-22T17:36:00.000-04:002008-03-22T17:36:00.000-04:00I remember on the day of the worst day of my life,...I remember on the day of the worst day of my life, when asked how school went, I said, "Great" because that was the standard response. I was still looking for the words to say.<BR/><BR/>When I gave a presentation for my electronic paint class this summer, I had lots of these sorts of pauses, and stuttering and things. People kept telling me to relax, just be myself. Then I tried explaining some of this stuff. The thing I was presenting was this poster I made with the words: "Anti-Cure Is NOT Anti-Support" and I had to discuss being autistic as part of that presentation. And Lauren Thierry calls Alison Singer "gutsy" *shutters*.geosaruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11333811132718881124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-35936278518955012412007-12-29T19:45:00.000-04:002007-12-29T19:45:00.000-04:00This post rocks my world. I see so much of my expe...This post rocks my world. I see so much of my experience in it. My scripts are literally scripts, lines from movies. Wow. Very cool.K Allrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967274458508952874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-13677949464894929532007-12-23T20:15:00.000-04:002007-12-23T20:15:00.000-04:00This reminds me of me.....particularly me in resta...This reminds me of me.....particularly me in restaurants. <BR/><BR/>WAIT STAFF: Would you like some pop?<BR/>ME: I'd like some pop.<BR/><BR/>(it never occurs to me that they might be asking what KIND of pop I want until they get frustrated and ask that or my dining companion points it out to me). <BR/><BR/><BR/>The problem obviously isn't me here. I'm just answering the question.Kelly https://www.blogger.com/profile/01249910397478116649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-4667134242127852362007-12-11T14:49:00.000-04:002007-12-11T14:49:00.000-04:00Authenticity strikes a chord. I do a Powerpoint + ...Authenticity strikes a chord. I do a Powerpoint + demo presentation to my students under the course theme of stigma. It's titled "Neurosupremacy: the Real Tragedy of Autism?" One demo I do is: Person A: "I have a bad headache." No accompanying gestures or vocal modification. Person B: Ooh, I have the worst headache." Puts palm on side of head, frowns, follows an up-pitched "ooh" with a small gasp. I ask the class "Who has the worse headache?" This confounds students. Then I move into eye contact. I look at the bridges of each student's nose, then ask what I just did. "Looked at us." Nope. This is to say that an aut does not have to make eye contact but has to give the NT the impression that they have. And there it is: survival for an aut depends on falsification. When someone says "be yourself," most auts come to know: 1. the speaker doesn't mean what xe said; 2. the speaker has in mind a specific set of behaviors deemed to enact "being yourself"; 3. The aut will need to observe how others in the room "be themselves" and do likewise. I once made a comment in the Q&A at an aut related session at an English/Writing conference that to auts NTs often appear needy, grasping, exacting. People laughed. They thought I was joking. I said "It's not a joke. It's serious." But no one was listening.jEAnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03891062580687261659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-31738088555299261272007-11-05T17:08:00.000-04:002007-11-05T17:08:00.000-04:00I was linked to your blog from "literally minded" ...I was linked to your blog from "literally minded" and before that from Language Log, and it's one of the most interesting things I've ever read.<BR/><BR/>This post reminded me of a movie I saw in a theater class a while back. The plot involved a community theater production, and the guy playing the lead would barely talk most of the time, but when he was acting, he played the part perfectly, no matter what it required (stanley in a streetcar named desire, for example). So the woman playing opposite him fell in love with him during the production, but was surprised that he wouldn't talk to her when they weren't playing their parts, even though he was also in love with her. They eventually found a solution: they acted out love scenes.<BR/><BR/>It was an interesting concept, but I didn't think it had much basis on real life behavior until you mentioned scripts. Of course it's still not the same exact thing, but do you think it would make sense that this character was based on an autistic person?<BR/><BR/>I haven't read much about autism before, but it seems like I'm learning more about it by reading your blog than I would by reading any textbook or similar thing.Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05448099874476003548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-32331883041715892522007-07-17T16:27:00.000-04:002007-07-17T16:27:00.000-04:00This is really fascinating, from where I sit (mom ...This is really fascinating, from where I sit (mom of autie). I don't want to make you (or anyone) feel like a zoo animal on display. This is some of the most educational reading about autism out there. Thank you.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02732095611947394379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-77872849535145131182007-07-17T13:10:00.000-04:002007-07-17T13:10:00.000-04:00Wow. This post is awesome. You have just illuminat...Wow. This post is awesome. You have just illuminated my understanding of the way my son communicates. I'm not saying I "get it", but I'm a hell of a lot closer. "Thank you" doesn't even come close to an adequate response.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-91600784376401593372007-07-17T11:09:00.000-04:002007-07-17T11:09:00.000-04:00Bev,yeah.Bev,<BR/><BR/>yeah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-2744537421773681062007-07-17T08:39:00.000-04:002007-07-17T08:39:00.000-04:00McEwen,It has taken me a long time to be more or l...McEwen,<BR/>It has taken me a long time to be more or less at peace about that sort of assumption. It took understanding autism and also working with people classified as MR to open my eyes to the reality of different types of intelligence and the silliness of even trying to construct this as a linear scale. But yes, for many years, this was a source of pain and anger for me as well. I wish for your son to have many many supportive people in his life to recognize his worth and obvious intelligence. Long live 1RMA!<BR/><BR/>Sarah,<BR/>Send me an email sometime. I'd like to talk to you.Bevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766614739853100172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-30731819911360560192007-07-17T01:13:00.000-04:002007-07-17T01:13:00.000-04:00Bev, thanks so much for your offer. I will most ce...Bev, thanks so much for your offer. I will most certainly take you up on that when the time comes. I have introduced myself and my son to the school's administration and am hoping to build a relationship with them so that they will be more receptive to my ideas. I am very serious about pursuing this agenda; however, my son has not yet begun school there and I don't want to appear overbearing. But, don't be surprised if I contact you in the future. I can only be the messenger -- I'd definitely appreciate help with the content.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-1767736672409007562007-07-17T00:41:00.000-04:002007-07-17T00:41:00.000-04:00Very interesting [and helpful] although I'll need ...Very interesting [and helpful] although I'll need to ponder on it a while.<BR/><BR/>I would add [without wishing to be offensive I hope] that for my son [one of them] people do not assume that he is is dishonest or nervous. I don't think they're suspicious [maybe because he's still little {ish}] but they do think that he is stupid. <BR/><BR/>This wasn't an issue for me until lately [I don't care {much} what people think.] But now that I know that he knows that people think he is stupid, I am completely enraged [on his behalf]. But I digress.<BR/><BR/>On a lighter note, I would have to admit that I am the one who is annoyed and impatient, but I'm working on it.<BR/><BR/>Thanks again for a very thought provoking post.<BR/>CheersMaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05828186178060722812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5794893825407092443.post-6873637105708565872007-07-16T19:56:00.000-04:002007-07-16T19:56:00.000-04:00As an auctioneer I can rattle off large rapid fire...As an auctioneer I can rattle off large rapid fire amounts of (SCRIPTED) speech. Auctioning is all about repetition and if the bidder does not play along I can cancel that bid. <BR/><BR/>People mostly ask me questions that are very obvious and I have heard 1000 times before so I have a scripted response to parrot back.<BR/><BR/>When people go on a weird tangent I say nothing. I may echolalia something that I think fits the setting and people think I am being a comedienne when I am being serious. I deal with NT's who talk all the time and have little content past ego and ferreting out information.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes, I say nothing at all. I have learned in dealing with NT's that usually that want to be listened to. Them....'blabbity bla bla blaaaaaaaaaaaaaa' Me 'yeah, about that, I'll get back to you on that. Shoot me an email'<BR/><BR/>Sometimes I like to say nothing when I hang out. The conversation around me is rollercoaster like and sometimes I tune that out too.<BR/><BR/>~SarahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com